GMOs: Safe? or Hazardous? A Special Panel Discussion – Part 2

In part 2 of our special Larry King Now” program on GMOs, Curtis Stone, John Salley & others duke it out over the safety of genetically engineered food and its regulation. Dr. Ahluwalia provides the medical perspective & a farmer shares her experience with GMO seed. Click here to watch Part 1 of the GMO discussion on ‘Larry King Now’ – if you missed it!

The full Larry King Now episode will post today at 5 pm EST on Ora TV & Hulu, but if you just can’t wait, catch some episode highlights below:

  • Any Food Is Genetically Modified: Celebrity chef Curtis Stone, actress Marilu Henner, Dr. Bob Goldberg and Katie Pratt debate the market dominance of GMOs.
  • Are GMOs Safe? Dr. Sonu Ahluwalia discusses the factors that should go into considering the safety of genetically modified food.
  • National GMO Labeling Law? Celebrity chef Curtis Stone, actress Marilu Henner, Dr. Bob Goldberg and Dr. Sonu Ahluwalia answer questions from fans via social media.

International Viewers! If you live outside of the United States, you can watch this full episode on-demand after 5PM EST on Larry King’s YouTube page! If you live in the US you can click here to watch it on Ora TV. (after 5PM ET)

GMO Panel on Larry King - Part 2

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT – 2/17/2014

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

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KING: ON "LARRY KING NOW,"

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THE TRUTH ABOUT G.M.O.s, OUR

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SECOND HALF-HOUR ON THIS

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IMPORTANT TOPIC.

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GOLDBERG: ONE G.M.O.'S NOT THE

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SAME AS ANOTHER G.M.O.

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YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL--

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INDIVIDUAL EVENTS

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OF GENETIC ENGINEERING.

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PRATT: THERE SEEMS TO BE A

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PERCEPTION THAT ANY FOOD IS

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GENETICALLY MODIFIED, AND THAT

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IS NOT THE CASE.

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STONE: RIGHT, BUT THOSE CROPS

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GO UP TO MAKING SOMETHING

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BETWEEN 60 AND 80%

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OF ALL PROCESSED FOOD.

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YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THERE'S

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NOT MUCH GENETICALLY MODIFIED

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FOOD ON THE SHELVES IN THE

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GROCERY STORE, BUT THERE

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ACTUALLY ARE.

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IF WE GAVE PEOPLE THE

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OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN INFORMED

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DECISION, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY

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WE DON'T IF WE DON'T HAVE

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MANDATORY LABELING OF G.M.O.s,

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THEN THEY WOULD CHOOSE, ON

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THE MASS, NOT TO BUY G.M.O.--

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GOLDBERG: THAT'S NOT TRUE.

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YOU DON'T WANT TO USE SCIENCE

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FOR YOUR ORGANIC FOODS, BUT YOU

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WANT THE MOST TESTED FOODS

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IN THE HISTORY OF AGRICULTURE

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TO BE TESTED AND TESTED

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AND RETESTED IN FACE OF ALL

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THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

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KING: PLUS...

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AHLUWALIA: BASED ON THE CURRENT

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EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE, WE CANNOT

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SAY THAT G.M.O.s

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ARE BAD FOR YOU.

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BUT WILL THINGS CHANGE

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20 YEARS FROM NOW?

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NOBODY KNOWS.

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KING: ALL NEXT ON

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"LARRY KING NOW."

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[upbeat music]

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THIS IS PART TWO OF A

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SPECIAL "LARRY KING NOW"

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LOOKING AT G.M.O.s.

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OUR PANEL REMAINING THROUGH

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BOTH SEGMENTS ARE CURTIS STONE,

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THE NOTED CHEF; MARILU HENNER,

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THE NOTED ACTRESS AND AUTHOR;

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PROFESSOR BOB GOLDBERG, THE

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NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE

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PROFESSOR AT UCLA; AND

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JOHN SALLEY, THE WELL-KNOWN

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ADVOCATE, TV HOST, AND

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NBA CHAMPION.

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I UNDERSTAND THAT DR. GOLDBERG

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HAS A FILM--HE WANTS

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TO SHOW A SHORT FILM?

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GOLDBERG: SURE.

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LET'S LOOK AT A G.M.O.

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NOTICE THAT, ON YOUR LEFT,

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THERE'S A WORM THAT'S EATING

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THAT PLANT AND GETTING BIG AND

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JUICY AND FAT, AND YOU CAN SEE

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IT CRAWLING AROUND AND

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DESTROYING THAT PLANT.

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IMAGINE YOU'RE IN A FIELD IN

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AFRICA SOMEPLACE AND THOSE

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CATERPILLARS OR WORMS

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INFECTING--INFESTING YOUR CROP.

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NOTICE THE ONE ON THE RIGHT--

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THAT HAPPENS TO BE A G.M.O.,

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A GENETICALLY ENGINEERED PLANT,

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LABORATORY PLANT.

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NOTICE THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENING

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TO IT WHATSOEVER.

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IF YOU HAD A CROP THAT WAS--

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THAT THE WORMS WERE GETTING IT,

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IF YOU HAD THAT CROP, THE ONLY

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WAY YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET RID

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OF THAT WORM, IF IT WAS ORGANIC,

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YOU'D BE SPRAYING IT WITH AN

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ORGANIC INSECTICIDE.

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IT MIGHT BE BT OR

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SOMETHING ELSE.

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IF IT WAS CONVENTIONAL, YOU'D

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BE SPRAYING IT WITH SOME PRETTY

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BAD PESTICIDES.

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ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU CAN SEE

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THIS PLANT ON THE RIGHT HAS

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BARELY BEEN TOUCHED, ABSOLUTELY

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BARELY HAVE BEEN TOUCHED

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BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ENGINEERED

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WITH A GENE WHICH IS

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IN THE ORGANIC INSECTICIDE,

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EXACTLY THE SAME THING WHICH HAS

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BEEN USED FOR 75 YEARS.

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HENNER: THE WORM DOESN'T WANT

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IT, WE DON'T WANT IT.

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SALLEY: MARI, LET ME

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SAY SOMETHING.

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SO I HAVE A WINE CALLED

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THE VEGAN VINE, AND THE REASON

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IT'S VEGAN VINE IS WE HAVE

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A SUSTAINABLE VINEYARD.

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AND AT OUR VINEYARD, WE DON'T

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HAVE ANY PESTICIDES.

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AND WE CAN RUN INTO A BIG--

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150 ACRES OF BEAUTIFUL GRAPES.

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BUT INSTEAD, WE PUT PLANTS

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IN BETWEEN THE VINES

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THAT WARD OFF THE INSECTS.

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GOLDBERG: YOU HAVE REFUGE.

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I UNDERSTAND.

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SALLEY: OKAY, NOW THE FACT THAT

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YOU JUST SHOWED ME THAT, I WANT

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WHAT THE INSECT WAS EATING

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BECAUSE THE INSECT HAS BEEN HERE

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FOR 40 MILLION YEARS.

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GOLDBERG: RIGHT.

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SALLEY: HE KNOWS WHAT TO EAT.

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HENNER: THE OTHER ONE'S PLASTIC.

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SALLEY: HE WON'T EAT THE OTHER

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ONE, BECAUSE IF HE ATE THE OTHER

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ONE, HE WOULDN'T BE ALIVE.

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HOW IS THAT NOT EVIDENCE?

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GOLDBERG: FOR WHAT?

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HENNER: HOW CAN WE GIVE THAT

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TO OUR CHILDREN?

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SALLEY: IT'S EVIDENCE

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THAT THE INSECTS--

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THIS IS WHAT THE INDIANS SAY.

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IF A BIRD DOESN'T EAT IT,

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YOU SHOULDN'T EAT IT.

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GOLDBERG: YEAH, BUT THAT'S

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JUST, YOU KNOW, THOSE CATER--

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YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT

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FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF WE'RE

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A PRETTY WEALTHY SOCIETY.

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I FIND THAT THIS WHOLE GENETIC

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ENGINEERING, ANTI-G.M.O.

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ARGUMENT IS EXTREMELY DEPRESSING

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BECAUSE THIS TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN

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USED IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS

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TO HELP PEOPLE IN MEDICINE--

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HENNER: OF COURSE.

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THAT'S A BIG UMBRELLA.

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GOLDBERG: THAT'S EXACTLY THE

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SAME TECHNOLOGY.

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THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.

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HENNER: NOT WHEN YOU CHANGE...

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GOLDBERG: THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.

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HENNER: THE CHEMICAL PROPERTIES

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OF THE FOOD.

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GOLDBERG: WE'RE NOT CHANGING

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THE CHEMICAL PROPERTY

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OF THE FOOD.

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HENNER: TO THE POINT WHERE

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AN INSECT DOESN'T EVEN WANT

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TO EAT IT?

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AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE IT

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TO OUR CHILDREN?

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GOLDBERG: IT'S NOT CHANGING THE

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CHEMICAL PROPERTIES OF THE FOOD.

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THAT PLANT DOESN'T EVEN

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RECOGNIZE THAT IT HAS AN EXTRA

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PROTEIN, AND THAT PROTEIN,

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MARILU, BY THE WAY, WILL NOT

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WORK IN YOU.

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AND THAT'S A FACT.

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BECAUSE THAT PROTEIN--

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HENNER: FOR HOW LONG HAVE YOU

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CHECKED SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

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GOLDBERG: THEY'VE KNOWN THAT FOR

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ABOUT 50 YEARS.

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HENNER: WELL, YOU SAID BEFORE

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IT WAS 40 YEARS AGO.

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GOLDBERG: AND THE REASON FOR

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THAT IS BECAUSE THAT PROTEIN

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BINDS TO A PARTICULAR PART

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OF AN INSECT'S INTESTINE AND

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WON'T BIND TO YOUR INTESTINE.

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KING: ARE ALL G.E.O. FOODS

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REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED

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BY THE FDA?

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GOLDBERG: WELL, IT DEPENDS UPON

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WHAT'S IN IT.

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IF IT HAS AN ALTERED

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CHEMICAL COMPOSITION,

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IF IT HAS AN ALTERED NUTRITIONAL

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COMPOSITION, THEN YES.

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BUT ALL G.M.O. CROPS HAVE

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TO BE APPROVED BY EITHER THE

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ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY,

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IN THE CASE--OR--

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HENNER: BUT THEY'RE

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ON THE TAKE TOO.

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I MEAN, YOU KNOW--

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SALLEY: YOU STILL DIDN'T ANSWER

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THE QUESTION.

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GOLDBERG: EVERYONE'S

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ON THE TAKE.

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SALLEY: IF I PUT ORGANIC

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VEGETABLES IN FRONT OF YOU

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AND GENETICALLY MODIFIED,

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YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T KNOW

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THE DIFFERENCE.

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GOLDBERG: I SAID IT WOULDN'T

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MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO ME.

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SALLEY: WHICH ONE WOULD YOU

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WANT TO EAT?

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HENNER: EVEN THOUGH THE TASTE

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IS BETTER.

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GOLDBERG: IN SOME RESPECTS, I

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MIGHT GO FOR THE

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GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOOD

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BECAUSE, WHEN YOU HAVE

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INSECT-RESISTANT CORN, NO

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INSECTS ARE GONNA GO

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TO THAT CORN, NO CORN BORER'S

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GONNA GO, AND IT'S BEEN SHOWN

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THAT, WHEN YOU HAVE

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NON-GENETICALLY ENGINEERED CORN,

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THE INSECTS CAN GO TO THE COB,

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THEY CAN EAT THAT CORN,

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AND IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNISTIC

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PLACE FOR FUNGI TO GROW,

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AND THOSE FUNGI ACTUALLY--

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HENNER: BUT IT IS LIKE

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FRANKENFOOD, IT IS.

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GOLDBERG: IT'S NOT FRANKENFOOD.

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HENNER: IT IS. IT'S FRANKENFOOD.

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GOLDBERG: I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO

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USE THAT--

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KING: HOW DID YOU AS A CHEF

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BECOME--HOW DID YOU BECOME

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OPPOSED TO THIS?

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STONE: LOOK, I THINK THAT PEOPLE

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HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE

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THEIR OWN DECISIONS, RIGHT?

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AS A CHEF--BY THE WAY, I'M

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BOOKED OUT FOR TWO MONTHS

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AT MY RESTAURANT, AND THE

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REASON--ONE OF THE REASONS FOR

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THAT IS BECAUSE I MAKE HEALTHY

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DECISIONS, AND I MAKE HEALTHY

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DECISIONS FOR MY CUSTOMERS, AND

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I KNOW THAT THEY APPRECIATE IT.

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JUST LIKE WHEN WE WERE TALKING

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TO THE GUYS FROM CHIPOTLE,

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THEY HAVE AN ETHICAL STANCE

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AROUND FOOD, AND, GUESS WHAT,

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THEIR BUSINESS IS DOING

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REALLY, REALLY WELL.

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IF WE GAVE PEOPLE THE

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OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN INFORMED

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DECISION, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY

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WE DON'T IF WE DON'T HAVE

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MANDATORY LABELING OF G.M.O.s,

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THEN THEY WOULD CHOOSE, ON THE

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MASS, NOT TO BUY G.M.O. FOOD.

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GOLDBERG: THAT'S NOT TRUE.

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STONE: IT IS TRUE.

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HENNER: MOST PEOPLE. 53%.

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STONE: THAT'S WHAT

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THE STUDIES SHOW.

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both: 53%.

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KING: COMING UP, WE'RE GONNA BE

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JOINED BY AN ILLINOIS FARMER

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WHO USES

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GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SEED.

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WE'LL HEAR HER STORY

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AFTER THE BREAK.

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GOLDBERG: IT'S RIDICULOUS.

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KING: YOU'RE WATCHING

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"LARRY KING NOW" AND A MAJOR

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SHOW ON G.M.O.s.

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WE'RE NOW WELCOMING

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KATIE PRATT.

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SHE AND HER HUSBAND GROW CORN,

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SOYBEANS, AND SEED CORN

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ON THEIR FARM IN ILLINOIS.

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AND, KATIE, LET'S START

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WITH WHY YOU USE G.M.O. SEED

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ON YOUR FARM.

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PRATT: WELL, WE'VE MADE THE

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CHOICE TO USE

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GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEEDS

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AS ONE TOOL TO HELP US

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INCREASE OUR YIELDS.

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IT HELPS US BASICALLY DO MORE

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WITH LESS.

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WE ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE

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A GOOD-QUALITY CROP

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BY NOT USING AS MUCH INPUTS,

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IN TERMS OF FERTILIZERS

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AND CROP PROTECTION TOOLS--

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PESTICIDES, HERBICIDES,

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INSECTICIDES.

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WE HAVE LESS TRAFFIC OVER

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OUR FIELDS, WHICH HELP

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REDUCE SOIL EROSION.

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HENNER: DO MOST OF YOUR CROPS

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GO TO FEEDING ANIMALS?

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DOES IT GO TO MAKING

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SOYBEAN OIL?

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PRATT: YES, WHERE WE ARE LOCATED

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IN ILLINOIS, WE HAVE--WE'RE

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VERY BLESSED BECAUSE WE HAVE

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A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PLACES

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OUR GRAIN GOES.

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ANIMAL FEED IS ONE OF THEM.

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WE HAVE SEVERAL ETHANOL PLANTS

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IN A 100-MILE RADIUS

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OF OUR FARM, AND, WHILE WE ARE

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NOT A MEMBER OF THOSE

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COOPERATIVES, IF THOSE PLANTS

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ARE IN NEED OF CORN,

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WE MAY SELL TO THEM.

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THERE IS A PROCESSING PLANT

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JUST ACROSS THE RIVER IN IOWA

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THAT WILL TAKE CORN TO MAKE

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CORN SUGAR, CORN OIL,

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CORNSTARCH THAT WILL THEN BE

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USED IN A VARIETY OF WAYS.

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AND WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO BOTH

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THE ILLINOIS AND MISSISSIPPI

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RIVER, AND SO SOME OF OUR GRAIN

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WILL GO ON BARGES AND BE SHIPPED

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OVERSEAS FOR EXPORTS.

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KING: NOW, AT LEAST 28 COUNTRIES

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WORLDWIDE HAVE PARTIAL OR

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TOTAL BANS ON THIS.

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WERE YOU AT ALL HESITANT TO MAKE

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THE SWITCH?

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PRATT: NO, I DON'T THINK

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WE WERE.

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I SAY THAT--I HESITATE

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IN ANSWERING THAT BECAUSE,

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WHEN THE FIRST

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GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEEDS

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CAME OUT, I WAS STILL

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IN HIGH SCHOOL, AND SO

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I DON'T KNOW THAT I WAS FULLY

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AWARE OF HOW MY FATHER MADE

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DECISIONS ON OUR FARM.

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AND HERE ON MY HUSBAND'S FARM,

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WE FARM WITH HIS FAMILY TODAY,

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AND I WAS ASKING HIM ABOUT THIS.

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AND HE SAID THEY WAITED

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A COUPLE OF YEARS JUST TO SEE

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HOW THOSE FIRST CROPS

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WOULD PERFORM.

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AS WITH ANY DECISION WE MAKE

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ON OUR FARM, WE TAKE SOME TIME

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TO DO RESEARCH, READING,

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TALK TO OUR NEIGHBORS--

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HENNER: DO YOU FEED YOUR

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CHILDREN--DO YOU FEED YOUR

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CHILDREN THESE CROPS?

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PRATT: WELL, CERTAINLY

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MY CHILDREN EAT THE FOOD THAT I

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PURCHASE IN GROCERY STORES,

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AND SO SOME OF THAT FOOD MAY

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HAVE THESE TYPES OF INGREDIENTS

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IN THEM, AND, YES, I FEEL

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COMFORTABLE FEEDING THEM.

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HENNER: BUT YOU DON'T FEED THEM

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FROM YOUR FARM?

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PRATT: WELL, THE CROPS THAT WE

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GROW ON OUR FARM ARE NOT ONES

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THAT YOU WOULD GO OUT AND

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HARVEST AND THEN TURN AROUND

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AND COOK AND SERVE AT A MEAL.

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IT'S FIELD CORN.

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I DO GARDEN, AND WE DO RAISE

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SWEET CORN AS WELL.

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AND, YES, WE FREEZE THAT,

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AND WE EAT THAT THROUGHOUT

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THE WINTER, AND WE EAT FROM

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OUR GARDEN IN THE SPRING

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AND THE SUMMER, AND I'M...

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HENNER: IS IT G.M.O. CORN?

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PRATT: REALLY TRYING TO GET MY

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KIDS TO EAT THEIR FRUITS

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AND VEGETABLES.

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STONE: IS THAT G.M.O. CORN OR

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IS THAT A SEED THAT'S ORGANIC?

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SALLEY: IN YOUR GARDEN.

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HENNER: IN YOUR GARDEN.

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PRATT: WELL,

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GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEEDS

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ARE ONLY COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE

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FOR EIGHT CROPS, AND SO, NO,

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NONE OF THE SEEDS THAT ARE

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IN MY GARDEN ARE

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GENETICALLY MODIFIED BECAUSE

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THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE.

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STONE: I FIND THAT AN

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INTERESTING JUXTAPOSITION,

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THOUGH, THAT YOU'RE A COMMERCIAL

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GROWER AND YOU'RE GROWING G.M.O.

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CROPS THAT YOU KNOW ARE GONNA

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END UP IN FOOD, BUT THEN FOR

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YOUR OWN FAMILY, YOU'RE GROWING

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ORGANIC VEGETABLES AND YOU'RE

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FEEDING THEM SOMETHING

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VERY DIFFERENT.

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PRATT: WELL, BUT, SEE,

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THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE

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THERE ARE NOT

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GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEED

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AVAILABLE FOR TOMATOES OR

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POTATOES OR ONIONS, MELONS.

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THAT IS NOT COMMERCIALLY

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AVAILABLE.

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IF IT WAS AVAILABLE,

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AS I MAKE DECISIONS ON OUR FARM,

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I'D TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT

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QUALITY WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD

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THE BENEFIT BE OF PLANTING

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THAT IN MY GARDEN, AND THEN MAKE

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THAT DECISION ACCORDINGLY.

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KING: KATIE, YOU GET YOUR SEED

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FROM MONSANTO?

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PRATT: SOME OF OUR SEED.

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IN SPITE OF POPULAR OPINION,

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THERE ARE SEVERAL SEED COMPANIES

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THAT SELL SEED, MONSANTO BEING

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ONE OF THEM.

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WE BUY FROM PIONEER.

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WE BUY FROM SEED COMPANIES

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THROUGH SYNGENTA.

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IT BEHOOVES US TO PLANT A

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VARIETY OF HYBRIDS ON OUR FARM

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AND NOT JUST ONE TYPE.

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KING: WHAT'S YOUR PERSONAL

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OPINION ON LABELING?

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PRATT: WELL, I THINK THAT

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LABELING IS VERY MISUNDERSTOOD.

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I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE

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SOMETHING THAT'S VOLUNTARY.

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YOU KNOW, IF THE GENERAL

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CONSUMER CAN GIVE THE PROPER

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DEFINITION OF WHAT GENETIC

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MODIFICATION IS, THEN GREAT,

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LET'S PUT IT ON A LABEL, BUT

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AS IS THE CASE RECENTLY WITH

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GENERAL MILLS MAKING THAT

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DECISION TO OFFER ANOTHER CHOICE

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WITH THEIR ORIGINAL CHEERIOS AND

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LABELING IT AS "NOT CONTAINING

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G.M.O. INGREDIENTS," WHICH IS

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FINE, BUT THERE'S A DISCLAIMER

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UNDER THAT, AND I JUST FIND

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THAT INTERESTING THAT--SO WHAT

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DOES THAT LABEL MEAN THEN, IF

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WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISCLAIMER?

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HENNER: WELL, PEOPLE CAN FIND

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OUT WHAT G.M.O. MEANS JUST FROM

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GOOGLING IT AND TRYING TO

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UNDERSTAND--YOU KNOW, THEY

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CAN FIGURE OUT THE LAWS FOR

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ORGANIC, WHAT THE DIFFERENT

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TYPES OF LABELING REALLY MEANS.

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SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF,

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"OH, LET'S NOT PUT A LABEL

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ON IT BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T

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KNOW WHAT IT IS."

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PRATT: WELL, AS THE BEGINNING

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OF OUR CONVERSATION HERE,

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THE QUESTION BEING ASKED, IF I

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PLANT GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEED

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IN MY GARDEN, AND I THINK THAT'S

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WHERE THIS CONVERSATION TAKES

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THE TURN, IS THAT THERE SEEMS

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TO BE A PERCEPTION THAT ANY

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FOOD--THE BANANA, THE ORANGE,

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THE GRAPE, WHATEVER IT MAY BE--

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IS GENETICALLY MODIFIED, AND

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THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

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THERE ARE ONLY EIGHT CROPS

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COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE

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IN THAT FORM...

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HENNER: SO WHY NOT LABEL THOSE?

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PRATT: AND MANY OF THOSE CROPS

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ARE CONSUMED IN THE FORM OF

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INGREDIENTS OR BYPRODUCTS

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AND NOT DIRECT.

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STONE: RIGHT, BUT THOSE CROPS

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GO UP TO MAKING SOMETHING

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BETWEEN 60 AND 80% OF ALL

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PROCESSED FOOD, RIGHT?

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WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR CROPS.

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WE'RE NOT TALKING

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ABOUT NICHE LITTLE CROPS.

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YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE THERE'S

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NOT MUCH GENETICALLY MODIFIED

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FOOD ON THE SHELVES IN THE

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GROCERY STORE, BUT THERE

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ACTUALLY ARE.

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PRATT: YOUR PROCESSED FOODS.

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YES. YOUR PROCESSED FOODS.

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EXACTLY.

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STONE: WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF

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AMERICANS--

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PRATT: I WOULD AGREE WITH

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THAT COMPLETELY.

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STONE: I MEAN, I WANT TO MAKE

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ONE MORE, LIKE, REALLY

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SIGNIFICANT POINT--

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THERE'S, YOU KNOW--WE TURN

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TO SCIENCE, AND WE TURN TO

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PROFESSORS AND STUDIES, AS WE

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SHOULD, RIGHT, AND THERE SHOULD

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BE TWO SIDES TO EVERY ARGUMENT,

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AND YOU SHOULD CONSIDER

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BOTH SIDES.

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THAT'S MY OPINION.

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WE DO TURN TO SCIENCE, AND WE

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DO TURN TO FOOD, BUT THERE'S

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SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON WITHIN

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OUR SOCIETY RIGHT NOW THAT YOU'D

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HAVE TO BE BLIND NOT TO SEE,

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WHETHER IT'S SUGAR DIABETES

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GOING THROUGH THE ROOF,

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WHETHER THERE'S 80 MILLION

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AMERICANS THAT ARE NOW

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GLUTEN-INTOLERANT, WHETHER

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THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS

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ASTRONOMICAL RISE IN ALLERGENS.

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NOW WE TURN TO DOCTORS AND

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SCIENCE TO TELL US, BUT NO ONE

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CAN TELL US WHY

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THAT'S HAPPENING.

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SALLEY: THEY CAN JUST TELL

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YOU TO GET BENADRYL.

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THEY CAN JUST SEND YOU TO GET

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THE MEDICINE THAT THEY MADE YOU

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SICK WITH IN THE FIRST PLACE.

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KING: I'M GONNA PAUSE THIS.

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WHAT DOES THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY

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HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE HEALTH

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EFFECTS OF G.M.O.s?

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WE THANK KATIE

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FOR BEING WITH US.

00:14:25:06	--:--:--:--
DR. SONU AHLUWALIA

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WILL JOIN US.

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HE'S AT CEDARS.

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WE'LL GET HIS TAKE

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WHEN WE RETURN.

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KING: WE NOW WELCOME

00:14:35:12	--:--:--:--
DR. SONU AHLUWALIA.

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AHLUWALIA: HI, LARRY.

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KING: HE IS A PHYSICIAN,

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MEDICAL EXPERT.

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HE CURRENTLY SERVES AS CHIEF

00:14:41:06	--:--:--:--
OF ORTHOPEDIC SURGERY

00:14:42:09	--:--:--:--
AT CEDARS-SINAI HERE

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IN LOS ANGELES.

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HAS BEEN LISTED AS THE TOP

00:14:46:07	--:--:--:--
DOCTOR BY THE

00:14:47:03	--:--:--:--
"U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT."

00:14:48:23	--:--:--:--
"THE WALL STREET JOURNAL"

00:14:50:02	--:--:--:--
REFERRED TO HIM AS THE DR. OZ

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OF INDIA.

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ALL RIGHT, DOCTOR.

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LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT.

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YOUR MEDICAL OPINION.

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ARE G.M.O.s SAFE?

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AHLUWALIA: SO, LARRY, THERE'S

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THREE DIFFERENT THINGS WE THINK

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OF WHEN WE THINK OF G.M.O.s AND

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THEIR HEALTH RISKS.

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AND I'LL GO OVER THEM

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ONE BY ONE JUST TO ADDRESS THEM.

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SO THE FIRST ONE IS SOMETHING

00:15:08:13	--:--:--:--
CALLED--IS A HORIZONTAL

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GENE TRANSFER.

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SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT,

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WHEN YOU ALTER FOODS AND YOU

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CONSUME THEM, COULD THOSE GENES

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GO FROM THE CONSUMED FOOD

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INTO EITHER BACTERIA IN THE GUT

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OR INTO THE PERSON

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EATING IT THEMSELVES?

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AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FEW

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STEPS ALONG THE WAY THAT MAKES

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SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

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NUMBER ONE, MOST OF THE FOODS

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THAT WE CONSUME ARE PROCESSED,

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SO, IN THE PROCESSING, A LOT

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OF THESE PROTEINS AND ENZYMES

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ARE DEGRADED.

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SECONDLY, WE DEGRADE THESE

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PRODUCTS WITH OUR SALIVA

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AND OUR GASTRIC JUICES,

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SO THAT KILLS THEM.

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AND, THIRDLY, FOR THEM

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TO ACTUALLY INCORPORATE

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INTO EITHER OUR BODY OR THE

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BACTERIA, THEY HAVE TO FIND

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THE RIGHT SPOT TO GET INTO,

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AND OUR BODY HAS DEFENSE

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MECHANISMS AGAINST THOSE, SO

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I THINK THE LIKELIHOOD

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IS PRETTY LOW.

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THE SECOND THING WE THINK ABOUT

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IS ALLERGIES FROM

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THESE PRODUCTS.

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SO MAYBE YOU'RE NOT

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ALLERGIC TO SOYBEAN, BUT IF WE

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ADD SOMETHING TO THE SOYBEAN,

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YOU MIGHT GET ALLERGIC TO IT.

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AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROCESSES

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THAT THESE PRODUCTS HAVE TO GO

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THROUGH TO BE TESTED TO MAKE

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SURE THAT THERE'S NO KNOWN

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ALLERGEN THAT WE'RE ADDING

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TO IT.

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SO, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE SOME

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INSTANCES WHERE WE ADDED A

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BRAZIL NUT INTO A SOYBEAN

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TO MAKE IT MORE NUTRITIOUS,

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AND IT ENDED UP BEING THAT IT

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WAS ALLERGIC AND IT WAS PULLED

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OFF BEFORE IT GOT INTO

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THE MARKET.

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AND THEN THERE WAS THE WHOLE

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TACO BELL FIASCO WHERE, YOU

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KNOW, SOME CORN THAT WE ALLOWED

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ANIMALS TO EAT WITH LESS STRICT,

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YOU KNOW, OVERSIGHT WENT INTO

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THE HUMAN CONSUMPTION.

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AND THEN FINALLY, TOXICITY.

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YOU KNOW, WE WORRY ABOUT,

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YOU KNOW, IS IT TOXIC TO OUR

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GUT, IS IT TOXIC TO OUR LIVER,

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IS IT TOXIC TO OUR PANCREAS?

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AND THERE HAVE REALLY BEEN NO

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STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN PROVEN

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TO SHOW THIS.

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THERE WERE SOME THAT INDICATED

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THAT IT MIGHT BE, BUT ALL OF

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THOSE HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED BY NOW.

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AND, LARRY, THE MOST IMPORTANT

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THING IS THAT THE W.H.O., THE

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AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION,

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THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF MEDICINE,

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ALL HAVE CONCURRED THAT G.M.O.s

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ARE SAFE TO HUMAN HEALTH.

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KING: SO YOUR CONCLUSION IS?

00:17:03:14	--:--:--:--
AHLUWALIA: WE DON'T HAVE ANY

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EVIDENCE TO SHOW THAT IT

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IS NOT SAFE.

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KING: SO THERE'S--

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HENNER: BUT HOW LONG--HOW LONG

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DID YOU DO THESE STUDIES, AND

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HOW LONG CAN WE DO THESE STUDIES

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TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMETHING

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LIKE THAT--BECAUSE, LISTEN,

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I'M THE PERFECT TESTIMONY THAT

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SCIENCE DOESN'T KNOW EVERYTHING.

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I HAVE A VERY UNUSUAL MEMORY,

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AND YEARS AGO, THERE WAS NOTHING

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ABOUT IT IN MEDICAL BOOKS,

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SCIENCE BOOKS, OR ANYTHING ELSE.

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NOW THERE'S A WHOLE NEW FIELD

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THAT'S OPEN, SO I KNOW THAT WE

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DON'T HAVE ALL

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OF THE INFORMATION.

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WE DON'T, AND THERE ARE SO MANY

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OTHER COUNTRIES THAT ARE

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AGAINST G.M.O.s.

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DEFINITELY 100% NOT--

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SALLEY: MY MOTHER IS

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90 YEARS OLD, AND SHE HAS A

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GARDEN IN THE BACK OF HER HOUSE.

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AND WHEN SHE WOULD GROW

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WATERMELON OR SHE WOULD GET

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ANYTHING, SHE WOULD SAY,

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"IF THE WATERMELON DOESN'T HAVE

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SEEDS, DON'T EAT IT."

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THAT'S WHAT SHE WOULD SAY.

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SHE SAID, "I GOTTA BE ABLE TO

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TAKE THE SEEDS, DRY 'EM, AND

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THEN HAVE THE CROP BACK AGAIN."

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GOLDBERG: IT'S

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GENETICALLY MODIFIED.

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IT'S TRIPLOID.

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SALLEY: I'M GONNA GO OVER THIS.

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I'M GONNA GO WITH MY

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90-YEAR-OLD MOTHER THAT SAYS

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EAT FOODS OUT OF YOUR GARDEN,

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EAT FOODS THAT ARE NATURAL.

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I'M GONNA GO WITH WHAT SHE WOULD

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SAY AND THE BIBLE, THAT YOUR

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FOOD IS LITERALLY OF THE

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SEEDS AND THE TREES.

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THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT

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OF YOUR LAB.

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GOLDBERG: BUT THEN YOU'RE NOT

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GONNA EAT ANYTHING, 'CAUSE

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EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY FOOD THAT

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YOU BUY, WHETHER IT'S ORGANIC

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OR NOT, HAS BEEN MADE BY

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BREEDING THOUSANDS OF YEARS

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AND ALTERING GENES.

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IN FACT, WHEAT HAS BEEN MADE

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BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A CROSS

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BETWEEN DIFFERENT SPECIES,

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NOT EVEN THE SAME SPECIES.

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SALLEY: BUT YOU'RE THE SAME GUY

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WHO SAID TO EAT SALMON, AND WE

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SEE THAT THE SALMON TAKES...

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GOLDBERG: YOU WOULDN'T HAVE

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ANY OF THE--

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SALLEY: A YEAR TO GROW, AND

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YOU GUYS HAVE MODIFIED IT.

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GOLDBERG: I HAVEN'T MODIFIED IT.

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SALLEY: WELL, YOU HAVEN'T.

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GOLDBERG: AND IT HASN'T

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BEEN MODIFIED.

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SALLEY: THE SCIENTISTS WHO MAKE

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MONEY HAVE MODIFIED IT, AND THEY

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PUT THIS INTO A SITUATION

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THAT YOU NOW HAVE PEOPLE

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THINKING THAT THEY CAN EAT A

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SALMON THAT IS MADE RIGHT THERE

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ON A FARM, AND THEY EVEN KNOW

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IT'S NOT GOOD FOR YOU, BECAUSE

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THE SALMON IS NOT--

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HENNER: WITH TWO EYES ON ONE

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SIDE OF THE HEAD.

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GOLDBERG: IT DOESN'T HAVE TWO

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EYES ON THE SIDE OF THE HEAD.

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KING: DR. SONU, SOME OF THE--

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THE ALLEGED UPSIDES TO SOME

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G.E. CROPS IS THE REDUCTION

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TO THE USE OF PESTICIDES.

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AHLUWALIA: YES.

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KING: IN YOUR OPINION, HAVE

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PESTICIDES PROVEN

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TO BE DANGEROUS TO HEALTH?

00:19:04:19	--:--:--:--
AHLUWALIA: YES.

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PESTICIDES ARE NOT A GOOD THING.

00:19:07:06	--:--:--:--
IF THEY KILL ANIMALS, THEY'RE

00:19:08:17	--:--:--:--
NOT GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH.

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THAT SAID, THOUGH, THE WHOLE

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IDEA OF THE G.M.O.s WAS TO

00:19:13:01	--:--:--:--
REDUCE PESTICIDES IN OUR

00:19:14:15	--:--:--:--
ENVIRONMENT, AND I'M NOT SURE

00:19:16:01	--:--:--:--
THAT HAS ACTUALLY BODED OUT THE

00:19:18:18	--:--:--:--
WAY WE INTENDED IT.

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THAT SAID, THOUGH, I WANTED TO

00:19:20:18	--:--:--:--
ANSWER THE QUESTION--YOU KNOW,

00:19:22:00	--:--:--:--
MEDICINE IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

00:19:23:06	--:--:--:--
A LOT OF IT IS GRAY.

00:19:24:15	--:--:--:--
BASED ON THE CURRENT EVIDENCE

00:19:26:14	--:--:--:--
THAT WE HAVE, WE CANNOT SAY

00:19:28:11	--:--:--:--
THAT G.M.O.s ARE BAD FOR YOU.

00:19:29:21	--:--:--:--
BUT WILL THINGS CHANGE

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20 YEARS FROM NOW?

00:19:32:05	--:--:--:--
NOBODY KNOWS.

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HENNER: AND WHERE DO YOU SIT IN

00:19:34:07	--:--:--:--
TERMS OF LABELING?

00:19:35:08	--:--:--:--
WHY SHOULDN'T WE KNOW?

00:19:36:05	--:--:--:--
LET'S SAY EVERYTHING YOU GUYS

00:19:37:16	--:--:--:--
ARE SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY

00:19:39:05	--:--:--:--
FABULOUS ABOUT G.M.O.s, OKAY?

00:19:41:15	--:--:--:--
WHY ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE

00:19:43:01	--:--:--:--
LABELING, AND WHERE DO YOU

00:19:44:00	--:--:--:--
STAND ON IT?

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AHLUWALIA: I'M ALL FOR LABELING.

00:19:48:03	--:--:--:--
TRANSPARENCY IS WHAT SHOULD BE.

00:19:50:04	--:--:--:--
EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW WHAT

00:19:51:00	--:--:--:--
THEY'RE EATING.

00:19:51:20	--:--:--:--
THE CONCERN IS, AND AGAIN THIS

00:19:53:08	--:--:--:--
IS ALL POLITICAL, IS THAT ONCE

00:19:55:00	--:--:--:--
YOU START LABELING, THEN GROCERY

00:19:57:00	--:--:--:--
STORES, AND WE'VE SEEN THIS IN

00:19:58:04	--:--:--:--
EUROPE, HAVE JUST NOT STORED

00:20:00:00	--:--:--:--
ANY MORE G.M.O. FOODS IN THE

00:20:01:11	--:--:--:--
STORE, AND SO CONSUMERS DON'T

00:20:02:19	--:--:--:--
HAVE A CHOICE ANYMORE, BECAUSE

00:20:03:21	--:--:--:--
IT ENDS UP BEING MORE POLITICAL.

00:20:05:06	--:--:--:--
SO I SUPPOSE THAT'S THE REASON,

00:20:07:08	--:--:--:--
BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,

00:20:08:11	--:--:--:--
TRANSPARENCY IS THE BEST.

00:20:10:05	--:--:--:--
KING: BOB, HOW DO YOU RESPOND

00:20:11:05	--:--:--:--
TO THAT?

00:20:12:01	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: YEAH, I AGREE

00:20:12:21	--:--:--:--
WITH HIM, TOTALLY, BUT I THINK

00:20:13:18	--:--:--:--
YOU TAKE IT ON

00:20:14:14	--:--:--:--
A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

00:20:15:20	--:--:--:--
ONE G.M.O.'S NOT THE SAME AS

00:20:17:03	--:--:--:--
ANOTHER G.M.O.

00:20:18:05	--:--:--:--
YOU HAVE TO LOOK IN INDIVIDUAL--

00:20:20:05	--:--:--:--
INDIVIDUAL EVENTS OF GENETIC

00:20:21:22	--:--:--:--
ENGINEERING, AND THAT'S THE

00:20:23:00	--:--:--:--
ONLY WAY TO DO IT.

00:20:23:21	--:--:--:--
AND FURTHERMORE, I FIND IT

00:20:25:11	--:--:--:--
IRONIC THAT YOU WANT TO USE ALL

00:20:26:23	--:--:--:--
THIS ORGANIC STUFF IN YOUR

00:20:28:02	--:--:--:--
RESTAURANT AND YOU'RE SO GUNG-HO

00:20:29:18	--:--:--:--
ABOUT IT, BUT THERE'S NOT ONE

00:20:31:20	--:--:--:--
ORGANIC FOOD THAT YOU USE IN

00:20:33:15	--:--:--:--
YOUR RESTAURANT THAT HAS BEEN

00:20:34:16	--:--:--:--
TESTED BY ANY AGENCY,

00:20:36:03	--:--:--:--
ANY SCIENTIFIC STUDY,

00:20:38:01	--:--:--:--
HAS NO REGULATORY OVERSIGHT,

00:20:39:20	--:--:--:--
AND IN FACT COULD HAVE SOME

00:20:41:11	--:--:--:--
TOXINS AND THINGS IN IT THAT ARE

00:20:42:19	--:--:--:--
WORSE THAN G.M.O. CROPS.

00:20:45:01	--:--:--:--
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT'S IRONIC.

00:20:46:08	--:--:--:--
YOU DON'T WANT TO USE SCIENCE

00:20:47:12	--:--:--:--
FOR YOUR ORGANIC FOODS, BUT YOU

00:20:49:10	--:--:--:--
WANT THE MOST TESTED FOODS

00:20:50:23	--:--:--:--
IN THE HISTORY OF AGRICULTURE

00:20:52:12	--:--:--:--
TO BE TESTED AND TESTED AND

00:20:55:03	--:--:--:--
RETESTED IN FACE OF ALL

00:20:56:17	--:--:--:--
THE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

00:20:57:20	--:--:--:--
THAT'S WHAT I FIND SO IRONIC.

00:20:59:03	--:--:--:--
I'D LIKE TO BRING UP...

00:21:00:11	--:--:--:--
STONE: WHAT'S IRONIC

00:21:01:08	--:--:--:--
ABOUT USING--

00:21:02:04	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: ANOTHER ISSUE.

00:21:03:00	--:--:--:--
HENNER: WELL, LET HIM ANSWER.

00:21:03:20	--:--:--:--
DON'T YOU THINK CURTIS SHOULD

00:21:05:15	--:--:--:--
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUTTAL?

00:21:07:08	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: I THINK A MORE SERIOUS

00:21:08:07	--:--:--:--
ISSUE--BUT GO AHEAD.

00:21:09:03	--:--:--:--
STONE: NO, PLEASE.

00:21:11:00	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S

00:21:12:01	--:--:--:--
GREAT THAT WE CAN GO IN OUR

00:21:14:20	--:--:--:--
GROCERY STORES AND WE CAN GO

00:21:16:18	--:--:--:--
TO YOUR RESTAURANT AND WE CAN

00:21:18:15	--:--:--:--
SPEND ALL THE MONEY THAT WE DO

00:21:20:01	--:--:--:--
ON FOOD, BECAUSE WE SPEND ONLY

00:21:21:23	--:--:--:--
5% OF OUR DISPOSABLE INCOME

00:21:23:20	--:--:--:--
ON FOOD BECAUSE WE ARE A VERY

00:21:24:20	--:--:--:--
WEALTHY SOCIETY.

00:21:26:04	--:--:--:--
STONE: MM-HMM.

00:21:27:00	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: BUT MANY SOCIETIES ARE

00:21:28:01	--:--:--:--
SPENDING 80 TO 90% OF THEIR

00:21:30:11	--:--:--:--
MONEY ON FOOD, AND THEY HAVE

00:21:32:09	--:--:--:--
VERY SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH

00:21:34:00	--:--:--:--
FAMINE, THEY HAVE SERIOUS

00:21:35:10	--:--:--:--
PROBLEMS OF NOT BEING ABLE TO

00:21:37:23	--:--:--:--
PROVIDE ENOUGH FOR THEIR

00:21:39:04	--:--:--:--
FAMILIES, THEY HAVE VERY

00:21:40:03	--:--:--:--
SERIOUS NUTRITIONAL PROBLEMS.

00:21:41:20	--:--:--:--
AND I FIND IT AMAZING THAT THE

00:21:44:08	--:--:--:--
CAMPAIGN AGAINST

00:21:46:17	--:--:--:--
GENETICALLY MODIFIED PLANTS

00:21:49:00	--:--:--:--
INDIRECTLY HAS HURT REALLY

00:21:52:10	--:--:--:--
LITERALLY TENS AND TENS OF

00:21:54:00	--:--:--:--
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE AND

00:21:55:16	--:--:--:--
CHILDREN BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY

00:21:57:10	--:--:--:--
THAT IS HERE AND NOW AND OLD

00:22:00:05	--:--:--:--
THAT EXISTS THAT CAN HELP THEM

00:22:01:10	--:--:--:--
IS NOT BEING USED BECAUSE OF

00:22:03:11	--:--:--:--
THIS CONCERTED

00:22:04:23	--:--:--:--
ANTI-SCIENCE CAMPAIGN.

00:22:06:18	--:--:--:--
GOLDEN RICE IS AN EXAMPLE.

00:22:08:13	--:--:--:--
STONE: BUT IT IS BEING USED.

00:22:09:17	--:--:--:--
80% OF PROCESSED FOOD IN AMERICA

00:22:12:07	--:--:--:--
IS G.M.O.

00:22:13:11	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: IT'S NOT BEING USED

00:22:14:10	--:--:--:--
WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE USED.

00:22:15:09	--:--:--:--
IT'S NOT BEING USED

00:22:16:05	--:--:--:--
FOR EXAMPLE--

00:22:17:01	--:--:--:--
STONE: I FIND IT SO UNBELIEVABLE

00:22:18:02	--:--:--:--
THAT YOU'RE SO ONE-EYED

00:22:19:17	--:--:--:--
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE THAT

00:22:20:13	--:--:--:--
THERE'S TWO SIDES--

00:22:21:09	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: HOW MANY CHILDREN

00:22:22:05	--:--:--:--
DIE EVERY--

00:22:23:01	--:--:--:--
STONE: AND YOU KEEP TALKING OVER

00:22:23:21	--:--:--:--
ME EVERY TIME I TRY TO SPEAK.

00:22:24:18	--:--:--:--
[overlapping argument]

00:22:26:08	--:--:--:--
KING: ONE OTHER THING, DOCTOR.

00:22:27:08	--:--:--:--
YOU THINK ANTI-G.M.O. IS AKIN TO

00:22:29:05	--:--:--:--
BEING ANTI-SCIENCE?

00:22:30:15	--:--:--:--
AHLUWALIA: WELL, IT DEPENDS ON

00:22:32:01	--:--:--:--
WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.

00:22:33:00	--:--:--:--
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BAN IT,

00:22:34:05	--:--:--:--
PROBABLY.

00:22:35:10	--:--:--:--
BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE REASONABLE

00:22:37:01	--:--:--:--
TO DISCUSSION AND TO SORTING

00:22:40:03	--:--:--:--
OUT THE FACTS, THEN YOU'RE NOT.

00:22:41:14	--:--:--:--
STONE: RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S

00:22:42:10	--:--:--:--
UPS AND DOWNS WITH ALL

00:22:43:07	--:--:--:--
OF THIS STUFF, RIGHT?

00:22:44:11	--:--:--:--
KING: WHEN WE COME BACK, OUR

00:22:45:07	--:--:--:--
PANEL WILL ANSWER

00:22:46:03	--:--:--:--
YOUR QUESTIONS.

00:22:46:23	--:--:--:--
WE'RE DOING SOCIAL MEDIA

00:22:48:00	--:--:--:--
IN OUR FINAL SEGMENT.

00:22:49:06	00:22:50:15
DON'T CLICK AWAY.

00:22:53:00	--:--:--:--
KING: WE'RE BACK WITH THE

00:22:53:20	--:--:--:--
PANEL THAT'S BEEN WITH US

00:22:54:16	--:--:--:--
ALL THE WAY.

00:22:55:12	--:--:--:--
I IMAGINE NO ONE'S MIND HAS BEEN

00:22:56:11	--:--:--:--
CHANGED BY ANYTHING SAID TODAY.

00:22:57:23	--:--:--:--
SALLEY: I CHANGED MY MIND.

00:22:58:23	--:--:--:--
KING: WHAT'D YOU CHANGE?

00:22:59:22	--:--:--:--
SALLEY: I AGREE WITH

00:23:00:19	--:--:--:--
MYSELF 110%.

00:23:02:21	--:--:--:--
BEFORE, I WAS BACK AND FORTH,

00:23:04:16	--:--:--:--
'CAUSE MAYBE I WAS THINKING--

00:23:06:00	--:--:--:--
UNTIL I REALIZED--I SAW THAT--

00:23:09:08	--:--:--:--
all: PLANT...

00:23:10:09	--:--:--:--
SALLEY: BEING EATEN PROPERLY.

00:23:11:13	--:--:--:--
KING: WE HAVE SOME SOCIAL

00:23:13:06	--:--:--:--
MEDIA QUESTIONS.

00:23:14:03	--:--:--:--
GARY PROKASA ON FACEBOOK.

00:23:15:21	--:--:--:--
"HOW DO FARMERS WHO USE

00:23:17:05	--:--:--:--
GENETICALLY MODIFIED SEED

00:23:19:00	--:--:--:--
CONTROL FOR CROSS-POLLINATION?

00:23:21:08	--:--:--:--
CAN G.E. CROPS SPREAD

00:23:23:14	--:--:--:--
TO NON-G.M.O. CROPS,

00:23:25:09	--:--:--:--
THEREBY CONTAMINATING THEM?"

00:23:26:21	--:--:--:--
SALLEY: YES.

00:23:27:17	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: NO.

00:23:28:15	--:--:--:--
THERE'S NO NATIVE--

00:23:31:11	--:--:--:--
IN THE UNITED STATES, WE GROW

00:23:32:09	--:--:--:--
MOSTLY SOYBEAN AND CORN,

00:23:34:23	--:--:--:--
AND THERE'S NO NATIVE SOYBEAN

00:23:37:01	--:--:--:--
AND CORN THAT IS IN

00:23:38:22	--:--:--:--
THE FIELDS AROUND IT.

00:23:40:06	--:--:--:--
AND FURTHERMORE,

00:23:41:07	--:--:--:--
THE POLLEN OF CORN IS PRETTY

00:23:43:07	--:--:--:--
HEAVY, AND PEOPLE HAVE MEASURED

00:23:44:14	--:--:--:--
EXACTLY HOW FAR IT GOES.

00:23:46:16	--:--:--:--
AND SO THE CHANCE OF THESE

00:23:48:00	--:--:--:--
THINGS CROSS-POLLINATING A

00:23:49:11	--:--:--:--
NATIVE SPECIES IS ALMOST

00:23:50:18	--:--:--:--
RARE OR IMPOSSIBLE.

00:23:51:16	--:--:--:--
HENNER: IF THEY'RE VERY CLOSE.

00:23:52:14	--:--:--:--
SALLEY: WHAT ABOUT CANOLA?

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HENNER: AND COTTON. CANOLA.

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GOLDBERG: CANOLA'S A DIFFERENT

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ISSUE, BUT THE QUESTION THEN

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BECOMES, WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE

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OF THAT, AND YOU HAVE TO SAY,

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WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE, AND

00:24:02:01	--:--:--:--
WHAT IS THE FITNESS--

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KING: IS CANOLA GOOD?

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HENNER: WELL, NOT IF IT'S--

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TO ME, NOT IF IT'S G.M.O.

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KING: CAT BERRY VIA INSTAGRAM...

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HENNER: IT HASN'T BEEN TESTED

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LONG ENOUGH.

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GOLDBERG: YEAH, BUT THERE'S NO

00:24:25:10	--:--:--:--
GENETICALLY ENGINEERED ANIMALS

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THAT ARE ON THE MARKET THAT

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YOU'RE EATING, SO IT'S

00:24:28:04	--:--:--:--
NOT RELEVANT.

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HENNER: BUT THEY'RE EATING

00:24:29:20	--:--:--:--
THE FOOD.

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KING: "HOW CAN ANYONE LAY--

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HOW CAN ANYONE LAY CLAIM TO

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SEEDS WHICH BECOME AIRBORNE

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CROSS-POLLINATING OTHER FIELDS

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WHO DO NOT WISH TO

00:24:37:20	--:--:--:--
CROSS-POLLINATE WITH G.M.O.s?"

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STONE: THAT HAPPENS.

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HENNER: THAT HAPPENS.

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GOLDBERG: IT DEPENDS UPON WHAT

00:24:43:10	--:--:--:--
FIELD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

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IT DEPENDS UPON THE CROP.

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HENNER: BUT THAT'S WHY MY

00:24:46:03	--:--:--:--
BROTHER-IN-LAW HAD TO SWITCH

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TO G.M.O.

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GOLDBERG: THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCE

00:24:49:11	--:--:--:--
OF THAT ANYWAYS.

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STONE: THERE IS IF THERE'S A

00:24:51:20	--:--:--:--
FARMER THAT DOESN'T WANT

00:24:52:16	--:--:--:--
TO PRODUCE G.M.O.--

00:24:53:20	--:--:--:--
HENNER: ABSOLUTELY.

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GOLDBERG: WHAT, THAT YOU HAVE

00:24:55:12	--:--:--:--
ONE SEED THAT MIGHT HAVE A--

00:24:56:09	--:--:--:--
HENNER: NO, BUT LIKE A FIELD

00:24:57:05	--:--:--:--
OF SEEDS.

00:24:58:01	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: THERE'S NOT GONNA BE

00:24:58:21	--:--:--:--
A WHOLE FIELD.

00:24:59:17	--:--:--:--
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

00:25:00:13	--:--:--:--
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH POLLEN GOING.

00:25:01:13	--:--:--:--
KING: TANYA TAM

00:25:02:09	00:25:04:09
ON GOOGLE ASKS...

00:25:08:03	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: PROBABLY NOT.

00:25:09:00	--:--:--:--
HENNER: I HOPE SO.

00:25:09:20	--:--:--:--
BUT IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

00:25:11:17	--:--:--:--
EVEN THOUGH 93% OF PEOPLE

00:25:13:16	--:--:--:--
WANT IT.

00:25:14:23	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: I DON'T AGREE

00:25:15:19	--:--:--:--
WITH THAT AT ALL.

00:25:16:23	--:--:--:--
HENNER: THAT'S THE STATISTIC.

00:25:17:23	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: I HAVE DIFFERENT

00:25:18:23	--:--:--:--
STATISTICS THAT SAYS THAT,

00:25:20:01	--:--:--:--
WHEN YOU HAVE--

00:25:21:10	--:--:--:--
SALLEY: NO, NO, NO, 93% WANT

00:25:23:10	--:--:--:--
CANNABIS TO BE LEGAL...

00:25:24:20	--:--:--:--
HENNER: [laughing] NO.

00:25:25:17	--:--:--:--
SALLEY: IS WHAT SHE WAS

00:25:26:17	--:--:--:--
REFERRING TO.

00:25:27:13	--:--:--:--
HENNER: NO, I WASN'T.

00:25:28:10	--:--:--:--
KING: YOU CAN EACH MAKE

00:25:29:06	--:--:--:--
A STATEMENT.

00:25:30:02	--:--:--:--
CURTIS, ANYTHING YOU

00:25:30:22	--:--:--:--
WANT TO SAY?

00:25:31:18	--:--:--:--
TAKE ABOUT A MINUTE.

00:25:32:14	--:--:--:--
STONE: LOOK, I THINK THERE'S

00:25:34:04	--:--:--:--
UPS AND DOWNS TO

00:25:35:00	--:--:--:--
ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.

00:25:36:01	--:--:--:--
YOU'VE SPOKEN A LOT ABOUT

00:25:37:00	--:--:--:--
THE WORLD FOOD SHORTAGE.

00:25:40:12	--:--:--:--
IN AMERICA ALONE, WE THROW AWAY

00:25:42:07	--:--:--:--
NEARLY 50% OF WHAT WE PRODUCE.

00:25:44:09	--:--:--:--
SO, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE OF FOOD

00:25:45:18	--:--:--:--
GOING UP, I ACTUALLY DON'T

00:25:46:18	--:--:--:--
THINK IT'S A BAD THING.

00:25:47:19	--:--:--:--
I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE

00:25:48:17	--:--:--:--
RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH

00:25:49:16	--:--:--:--
HIGHER-PRICED FOODS.

00:25:51:00	--:--:--:--
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S

00:25:52:14	--:--:--:--
OF COURSE POSITIVES AND MINUSES

00:25:54:09	--:--:--:--
TO BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT.

00:25:55:12	--:--:--:--
ALL I STATE IS THAT WE SHOULD

00:25:57:17	--:--:--:--
BE GIVEN THE CHOICE.

00:25:58:16	--:--:--:--
WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE GIVEN

00:26:00:01	--:--:--:--
THE CHOICE, AND THE ONLY WAY

00:26:01:00	--:--:--:--
YOU CAN BE GIVEN THE CHOICE IS

00:26:02:03	--:--:--:--
BY BEING GIVEN THE INFORMATION.

00:26:03:15	--:--:--:--
KING: MARILU.

00:26:04:11	--:--:--:--
HENNER: ABSOLUTELY, I AGREE

00:26:05:07	--:--:--:--
THAT THERE SHOULD BE LABELING

00:26:06:04	--:--:--:--
SO THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW IF

00:26:07:00	--:--:--:--
THEY'RE CHOOSING G.M.O.s AND IF

00:26:08:09	--:--:--:--
THEY'RE NOT CHOOSING G.M.O.s.

00:26:09:12	--:--:--:--
AND I CAN TELL PEOPLE, IF YOU

00:26:10:22	--:--:--:--
WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T

00:26:11:20	--:--:--:--
HAVE G.M.O.s, MAKE SURE YOU

00:26:12:16	--:--:--:--
SHOP ORGANIC.

00:26:13:15	--:--:--:--
IT'S THE ONLY THING--AND IT'S

00:26:14:15	--:--:--:--
SAFER AND TASTIER FOR YOUR

00:26:16:13	--:--:--:--
CHILDREN, ABSOLUTELY.

00:26:18:00	--:--:--:--
KING: JOHN.

00:26:18:20	--:--:--:--
HENNER: MUCH HEALTHIER.

00:26:19:16	--:--:--:--
SALLEY: I KNOW A GUY NAMED

00:26:20:12	--:--:--:--
RON FINLEY WHO WAS LIKE--

00:26:22:18	--:--:--:--
HE'S THE GARDENER IN THE CITY.

00:26:24:12	--:--:--:--
WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE

00:26:25:16	--:--:--:--
DIFFERENT FOOD ZONES, DRY ZONES,

00:26:27:05	--:--:--:--
NOT BEING ABLE TO FEED

00:26:28:05	--:--:--:--
THESE KIDS.

00:26:29:02	--:--:--:--
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK

00:26:30:16	--:--:--:--
AT ALL THE VACANT LOTS AND ALL

00:26:32:06	--:--:--:--
THE BROKEN-DOWN PLACES AND

00:26:33:09	--:--:--:--
START FARMING IN TOWERS

00:26:35:06	--:--:--:--
OR FARMING IN THE GROUND

00:26:36:15	--:--:--:--
AND STOP BUYING THESE

00:26:38:01	--:--:--:--
GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOODS.

00:26:39:16	--:--:--:--
KING: DR. GOLDBERG.

00:26:40:15	--:--:--:--
GOLDBERG: YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN

00:26:41:11	--:--:--:--
MODIFYING FOODS FOR OVER

00:26:42:14	--:--:--:--
10,000 YEARS.

00:26:43:22	--:--:--:--
AND WE'VE GOT TO PRODUCE MORE

00:26:45:12	--:--:--:--
FOOD IN THE NEXT 50 YEARS THAN

00:26:47:11	--:--:--:--
IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY

00:26:48:07	--:--:--:--
OF HUMANKIND.

00:26:49:06	--:--:--:--
AND WE HAVE TO DO IT WITH LESS

00:26:50:17	--:--:--:--
WATER AND LESS RESOURCES AND A

00:26:52:18	--:--:--:--
LOT LESS LAND.

00:26:53:18	--:--:--:--
AND CERTAINLY GENETIC

00:26:55:16	--:--:--:--
ENGINEERING IS ONE OF THE TOOLS

00:26:57:05	--:--:--:--
IN THE TOOLBOX BECAUSE WE'RE IN

00:26:59:04	--:--:--:--
A REVOLUTION OF AGRICULTURE,

00:27:00:14	--:--:--:--
JUST LIKE THE HUMAN GENOME.

00:27:02:07	--:--:--:--
WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT EVERY

00:27:03:17	--:--:--:--
SINGLE SOLITARY GENE IN EVERY

00:27:05:09	--:--:--:--
CROP, EVERY PLANT ON THE

00:27:06:09	--:--:--:--
FACE OF THIS EARTH, AND WE CAN

00:27:07:19	--:--:--:--
USE IT TO MAKE THE

00:27:08:17	--:--:--:--
DROUGHT-RESISTANT AND THE

00:27:10:06	--:--:--:--
INSECT-RESISTANT AND THE

00:27:11:14	--:--:--:--
PEST-RESISTANT CROPS OF THE

00:27:12:22	--:--:--:--
FUTURE THAT ARE PERFECTLY SAFE

00:27:14:12	--:--:--:--
AND REALLY WILL DO

00:27:15:18	--:--:--:--
A LOT OF GOOD.

00:27:17:02	--:--:--:--
KING: THANKS TO MY GUESTS.

00:27:18:09	--:--:--:--
NO MIND HAS BEEN CHANGED

00:27:20:00	--:--:--:--
ON THIS PANEL.

00:27:21:03	--:--:--:--
CURTIS STONE, JOHN SALLEY,

00:27:23:04	--:--:--:--
MARILU HENNER, AND

00:27:24:12	--:--:--:--
DR. BOB GOLDBERG, AS WELL

00:27:26:08	--:--:--:--
AS THOSE WHO JOINED US REMOTELY.

00:27:27:21	--:--:--:--
WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE

00:27:28:20	--:--:--:--
CONVERSATION WITH YOU.

00:27:30:03	--:--:--:--
YOU CAN TWEET ME @KINGSTHINGS,

00:27:31:17	00:27:34:06
AND I'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME.

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